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	<title type="text">Jacob Kastrenakes | The Verge</title>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The real story of the iPhone 18 Pro&#8217;s camera]]></title>
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			<updated>2026-09-18T13:06:37-04:00</updated>
			<published>2026-09-18T13:06:37-04:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[It’s one of the most fascinating years in a while when it comes to iPhone camera upgrades. The big story of the iPhone 18 Pro is the variable aperture main lens, which lets you open the aperture up wider for better low light shots and make the aperture smaller for better depth of field in [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It’s one of the most fascinating years in a while when it comes to iPhone camera upgrades. The big story of the iPhone 18 Pro is the variable aperture main lens, which lets you open the aperture up wider for better low light shots and make the aperture smaller for better depth of field in group photos. But all I can get anyone to talk about is the software upgrades: it turns out, they’re a lot more useful day to day than the aperture on a camera this small.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This week on <em>The Vergecast</em>, David Imel and Allison Johnson are here for a deep dive into the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera. There’s a lot to explore here, from the aperture, to the camera app’s new manual controls, to the updated imaging pipeline and the improvements to ProRAW.</p>

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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After that, Hayden Field is on the show to discuss the state of the AI safety debate. Concerns are still boiling over after an Anthropic researcher quit his job to warn about the dangers of AI, and any chance for policy solutions seems to have hit a dead end. We discuss whether what’s likely to happen in the interim — third-party evaluators being embedded within the big AI labs — has any teeth, and where the safety conversation goes from here.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Finally, it’s time for a Lightning Round. We discuss Waymo’s ability to call the cops, a new ereader from Boox, and a couple of tiny retro-style cameras.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you want to learn more about any of the topics we discussed, you can check out the stories below:</p>

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<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EE7D3XgaYw" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">iPhone 18 Pro review: it&#8217;s all about the manual controls</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/993155/variable-aperture-iphone-18-pro-photography" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/992766/apple-iphone-18-pro-reference-image" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Apple’s new iPhone camera mode promises to prove your photo isn’t AI</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/996563/ai-safety-research-metr-redwood-openai-anthropic" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Inside the suddenly explosive world of AI safety</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/996863/robotaxi-waymo-police-privacy-surveillance" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Your robotaxi might be a narc</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/994405/waymo-pulls-over-calls-cops-on-riders-with-a-ghost-gun" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Waymo pulls over, calls cops on riders with a ghost gun</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/995826/boox-palma-3-e-ink-reader-pocket-smartphone-android-16" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Boox Palma 3 gets stylus support and a sleek redesign</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/996453/camp-snap-110d-digital-camera-retro-horizontal-kodak-100-film" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Camp Snap’s 110D gives slim retro film cameras a digital upgrade</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/995399/fujifilm-instax-pal-2-digital-camera-wireless-autofocus-face-detection" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Fujifilm’s Instax Pal 2 is a tiny digital camera that may not disappoint</a></li>
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				<name>Jacob Kastrenakes</name>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[We unfolded the iPhone Duo]]></title>
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			<updated>2026-09-11T16:29:34-04:00</updated>
			<published>2026-09-11T12:22:24-04:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[You only get one chance at a first impression, and getting to introduce Apple’s first folding phone is certainly a strong way to start things off as Apple’s CEO. On The Vergecast today, we’re talking all about Apple’s launch event: how John Ternus did in his first appearance as CEO, what we make of the [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You only get one chance at a first impression, and getting to introduce Apple’s first folding phone is certainly a strong way to start things off as Apple’s CEO. On <em><a href="https://pod.link/vergecast">The Vergecast</a></em> today, we’re talking all about Apple’s launch event: how John Ternus did in his first appearance as CEO, what we make of the new iPhones, and whether Apple is stepping into dangerous territory with its new AI features on the Apple Watch.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">First up, Allison Johnson joins me to discuss the new iPhones, which she had a chance to test in Cupertino. Both of us have some questions about the new variable aperture camera on the iPhone 18 Pro —&nbsp;and whether the real upgrade simply lies in the wider aperture, not the ability to stop it down. Then we dig into the iPhone Duo and how Apple decided to pick and choose the best parts of Android foldables.</p>

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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After that, Victoria Song joins me to discuss the new Apple Watches, which she also had a chance to test out. We dive into the new sensor array and whether it allows for legitimately new metrics or just more vibesy health data. And then we both break down a little while figuring out what it means that Apple added the ability for both new Apple Watches to have an always-on microphone that summarizes all of your conversations.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is an Apple-packed episode, so from there we jump to a special segment with Nilay Patel and David Imel, who speak with AI researcher CJ Trowbridge about the state of running local LLMs on the Mac. Finally, it’s the long awaited return of the Thunder Round, as we race through stories so that Allison can make it to the airport. We’re chatting OpenAI math drama, digital ocarinas, and more.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you want to learn more about this week’s stories, you can check out the links below:</p>

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<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/986400/apple-iphone-18-pro-max-hands-on-impressions-september-2026-event">iPhone 18 Pro and Pro Max: Our first hands-on impressions</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/993155/variable-aperture-iphone-18-pro-photography">The variable aperture isn’t the cool part of the iPhone 18 Pro’s camera</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/991236/iphone-foldable-hands-on-first-impressions">Hands-on with the foldable iPhone Duo</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/992568/apple-watch-hands-on-series-12-ultra-4">Hands-on with the new Apple Watch Series 12 and Apple Watch Ultra 4</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/991812/apple-watch-series-12-announcement">Apple Watch Series 12 has an always-on Siri that makes AI recaps of your day</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/992919/apple-siri-ai-audio-intelligence-privacy">Read the Apple document explaining how new listening features still protect your privacy</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/993263/where-does-openai-get-mathematics-training-data">Mathematicians want proof OpenAI didn’t use their work</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/992953/openai-math-millennium-prize-navier-stokes">OpenAI’s sly mathematical breakthrough sends a chill through academia</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/991710/openai-navier-stokes-solution">Drama swirls around OpenAI’s legendary mathematical milestone</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/993242/trump-phone-t1-price-hike">The Trump phone just got a $250 price hike</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/990687/sony-announces-xm4c-headphones">Six years later, Sony revisits its legendary XM4 headphones</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/991658/hori-legend-zelda-ocarina-of-time-electronic-instrument">Hori’s electronic Ocarina of Time requires no musical talent.</a></li>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[1Password wades into a right-wing mess after funding a Linux project]]></title>
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			<updated>2026-09-06T10:30:22-04:00</updated>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[1Password faced immediate backlash from customers this week over a $300,000 pledge in support of a Linux distro created by David Heinemeier Hansson, who has regularly published overtly racist blog posts that include comments calling for deportation of ethnic minorities in Europe. The popular password manager is now a “distinguished corporate patron” of Omacom, the [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">1Password faced immediate backlash from customers this week over a $300,000 pledge in support of a Linux distro created by David Heinemeier Hansson, who has regularly published overtly racist blog posts that include comments calling for deportation of ethnic minorities in Europe. The popular password manager is now a “<a href="https://omarchy.org/news/2026/08/1password-and-37signals-become-distinguished-corporate-patrons/" data-type="link" data-id="https://omarchy.org/news/2026/08/1password-and-37signals-become-distinguished-corporate-patrons/">distinguished corporate patron</a>” of Omacom, the nonprofit foundation that oversees a popular Linux distribution known as Omarchy.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One viral blog post <a href="https://www.alilleybrinker.com/blog/1password-funds-ethnic-cleansing/" data-type="link" data-id="https://www.alilleybrinker.com/blog/1password-funds-ethnic-cleansing/">declared that 1Password</a> “Supports the Ethnic Cleansing of Europe” because of the donation. Others on social media asked for suggestions for alternative password managers so they would not support the funding of a project from Heinemeier Hansson, better known as DHH.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The donation has also resulted in internal pushback from employees of 1Password who are disappointed by the affiliation, <em>The Verge </em>has learned. 1Password CEO David Faugno and cofounder Roustem Karimov have since posted internal messages addressing what Faugno describes as “concerns, both internally and externally” that have been raised “due to the polarizing nature” of DHH.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">DHH is a Danish entrepreneur best known for creating Ruby on Rails, Basecamp, and the Hey email client. Omarchy is DHH’s “opinionated” version of Linux, meaning it’s Linux the way he likes to use it. It’s based on Arch Linux, with certain apps that install by default. It’s also, apparently, one of 1Password’s big customer environments.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The backlash to 1Password’s funding should have been predictable; DHH’s reactionary comments aren’t new. Way back in 2023, Duke University Libraries <a href="https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/11/30/why-were-dropping-basecamp/">dropped one of DHH’s products</a>, Basecamp, citing “harms we see perpetuated by the leadership of Basecamp’s parent company, 37signals,” which is co-owned by DHH. At the time, Duke noted DHH’s attack on DEI programs and <a href="https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406673/basecamp-political-speech-policy-controversy"><em>The Verge</em>’s reporting</a> on Basecamp banning “societal and political discussions” at work.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This year, DHH has published rants that appear to call for ethnic cleansing in Europe. In <a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a" data-type="link" data-id="https://world.hey.com/dhh/wolves-sheep-and-gypsies-ba44af6a">his July 21st blog post</a> titled “Wolves, sheep, and gypsies,” DHH implies that immigrants are “wolves.” His solution? “When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them.”</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In an internal Slack message obtained by <em>The Verge</em>, 1Password’s Karimov downplayed the overtly racist comments from DHH, telling staff the following:</p>

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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I said, people have different personal opinions. You believe in your heart that DHH is evil, that you have the moral high ground, and that nothing will change your mind.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">However, not everyone believes that. It is not fair to claim a monopoly and ostracize team members who might disagree with you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There are people who are afraid to speak up simply because they will be personally attacked.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">1Password CEO Faugno took a different approach, trying to reassure staff that “1Password does not endorse hateful, dehumanizing, or exclusionary views, including those shared publicly by DHH.”</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nonetheless, it seems the company has sacrificed a moral position for a “mission-driven” position. In the same message to staff, Faugno says “the scale and growth of [Omarchy’s] use among our customers is significant &#8211; Omarchy has grown to be the second most used Linux distribution among 1Password users.”</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Faugno then tries to create distance, telling staff that its contribution is “to the Omacom Foundation, not an individual.” Still, he says “we recognize that Omarchy is associated with DHH, its founder. Our donation is not in any way an endorsement of <em>his</em> personal views or conduct.”</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We asked 1Password for comment on its funding of the Omacom Foundation on August 31st, and again today. We did not receive a response in time for publication.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Omacom Foundation is also funded by 12 “<a href="https://omarchy.org/patrons/">founding patrons</a>” who each contributed $1 million, including Stripe’s CEO Patrick Collison, Michael Dell, Jack Dorsey, and Shopify’s Tobias Lütke — who <a href="https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/shopify-ceo-endorses-idea-to-give-more-votes-to-wealthy-canadians-9.7286688">recently endorsed the idea</a> that wealthy Canadians should have more voting power in democracy than poorer people. Even before 1Password contributed, this page looked like a rogues’ gallery of tech. (DHH himself also gave $1 million to the project.)</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">1Password employees don’t seem impressed by its leaders’ comments based on dozens of emoji reactions we saw in their internal Slack conversations. 1Password’s CEO says the company will speak more about it internally at an all-hands meeting.</p>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[The iPhone Fold could make concerts even worse]]></title>
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			<updated>2026-08-28T13:03:26-04:00</updated>
			<published>2026-08-28T11:26:19-04:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[You know the person blocking your view of the concert because their phone is swaying in the air, recording the entire thing? Get ready for the unfolded version of it. This week on The Vergecast, we dive right into the big week of Apple news. First, it’s the refreshed Mac Mini and Mac Studio, as [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You know the person blocking your view of the concert because their phone is swaying in the air, recording the entire thing? Get ready for the unfolded version of it.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This week on <em>The Vergecast</em>, we dive right into the big week of Apple news. First, it’s the refreshed Mac Mini and Mac Studio, as well as the new M6 and M5 Ultra chips. Apple is advertising them all as achievements in AI inference, but we’re skeptical this is more than a marketing ploy for now. Then we get into the newly announced Apple event, why we’re not expecting to see an iPhone 18, and whether the folding phone form factor is really good enough yet for Apple.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After that, there’s a lot to discuss about the Meta settlement. Teens are getting a host of new restrictions on their accounts that, truthfully, a lot of adults would love to have, too. But the bigger question is what happens next: Will other platforms be forced to adopt these rules, too? And which rules could actually be implemented by law, should lawmakers ever get their act together? The settlement has a lot of terms that immediately run into the First Amendment.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Finally, we’ve got a packed closing segment: The Hype Desk returns to talk <em>GTA VI</em> and whether it’s going to make us all more responsible individuals, Nilay breaks down how FCC chairman Brendan Carr has infuriated librarians nationwide, and we close out with a Lightning Round on whether Nvidia has saved the US economy, why Fitbit is partnering with Pokémon, and why Waymo is starting to beef with Tesla.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you’re interested in reading more about the stories we discussed, check out the links below:</p>

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<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/983407/apple-iphone-launch-event-2026-date" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Apple announces September iPhone launch event</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/984118/apple-m6-m5-ultra-chip-mac-mini-studio" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Apple’s new M6 chip gets more cores and more AI compute</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/984207/apple-mac-studio-m5-max-ultra-price-specs-launch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Apple launches new Mac Studios with its ‘most powerful chip ever’ — the M5 Ultra</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/984190/apple-mac-mini-m6-m5-pro-price-specs" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Apple’s new Mac Mini has fresh M6 and M5 Pro chip offerings — and higher prices</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/984353/apple-polishing-cloth-cheaper" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Apple’s ‘new’ polishing cloth is the same except $10 cheaper</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/policy/985032/meta-state-ag-kids-online-safety-settlement" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Meta agrees to heavy restrictions on teen users in major lawsuit settlement</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/policy/985183/meta-is-planning-an-ad-blitz-urging-tiktok-and-youtube-to-follow-its-lead" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Meta is planning an ad blitz urging TikTok and YouTube to follow its lead.</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/985329/instagram-facebook-meta-settlement-changes" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">All the ways Instagram and Facebook are changing for teens</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/games/984959/gta-vi-leaks-rockstar-games-official-statement-heartbreaking" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Rockstar finally responds to ‘heartbreaking’ GTA 6 leaks</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.fierce-network.com/broadband/fcc-opens-comments-e-rate-program-gets-attacked-court" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Fierce Network: FCC opens comments on E-Rate as the program gets attacked in court</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/985387/nvidia-hundred-billion-dollar-quarterly-revenue" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Nvidia is about to be a hundred-billion-dollar-a-quarter company</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/games/985364/panic-is-passing-on-playdate-tariff-refunds-to-customers" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Panic is passing Playdate tariff refunds on to customers.</a></li>
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			<entry>
			
			<author>
				<name>Jacob Kastrenakes</name>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Pixel 11 gets in on the digicam trend]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/983288/pixel-11-gets-in-on-the-digicam-trend" />
			<id>https://www.theverge.com/?p=983288</id>
			<updated>2026-08-21T14:24:41-04:00</updated>
			<published>2026-08-21T12:27:05-04:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[I recently looked back at a photo I’d taken on a smartphone in 2014, and I was struck by just how good it looked. The details were soft, the shadows were dark. It was the kind of photo I felt like I hadn’t seen out of a phone in years. That might be changing, though. [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I recently looked back at a photo I’d taken on a smartphone in 2014, and I was struck by just how good it looked. The details were soft, the shadows were dark. It was the kind of photo I felt like I hadn’t seen out of a phone in years. That might be changing, though. The Pixel 11 includes a suite of new photography features called Camera Looks that allow those who really care about those things (hi, it’s all of us) to dial in their preferences and get rid of that modern over-processed look.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On today’s episode of <em>The Vergecast</em>, David Imel joins us to discuss his time reviewing the Pixel 11 Pro and how he’s thinking about its new approach to computational photography. After that, we’ve got a super-sized edition of Brendan Carr is a Dummy, everyone’s favorite podcast with a podcast. It was a big week for bad telecom policy, and we’re giving it the time it deserves. Finally, we’ve got a Lightning Round, where we’re talking Apple’s AirPods leak, Fairphone heading to the US, and YouTube changing how it counts video views.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you want to read more about the topics we’re discussing, you can check out our stories below:</p>

<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/978084/google-camera-looks-interview-computational-photography">⁠Google is making the Pixel cameras better by making them worse⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/media/ng-interactive/2026/aug/19/brendan-carr-fcc-white-house-exclusive">⁠Revealed: FCC chair Brendan Carr’s close coordination with White House and rightwing media⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/streaming/981392/abc-fcc-broadcast-license-lawsuit">⁠ABC sues the FCC over Trump and Carr’s campaign of threats⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/08/fcc-abolishes-gigabit-speed-goal-suggesting-it-is-unfair-to-slower-technologies/">⁠FCC abolishes gigabit speed goal, suggesting it is unfair to slower technologies⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/981326/apple-airpods-with-cameras-demo-video-leak">⁠Apple’s camera-equipped AirPods appear in leaked video⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/report/982414/meta-glasses-work-surveillance-labor-security">⁠Meta glasses are a workplace menace⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/982587/apple-reportedly-wont-launch-airpods-with-cameras-until-next-year">⁠Apple reportedly won’t launch AirPods with cameras until next year.⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/980876/fairphone-6-plus-us-t-mobile-amazon">⁠Fairphone’s latest repairable phone is going on sale in the US⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/streaming/981105/youtube-video-view-counting-update">⁠YouTube is changing how it counts views to give the numbers a boost⁠</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/streaming/982534/youtube-is-reportedly-offering-channels-millions-of-dollars-not-to-cross-post-videos-on-netflix">⁠YouTube is reportedly offering channels “millions of dollars” not to cross-post videos on Netflix.⁠</a></li>
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			<entry>
			
			<author>
				<name>Jay Peters</name>
			</author>
			
			<author>
				<name>Victoria Song</name>
			</author>
			
			<author>
				<name>Nathan Edwards</name>
			</author>
			
			<author>
				<name>Jacob Kastrenakes</name>
			</author>
			
			<author>
				<name>David Imel</name>
			</author>
			
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Pixel 11 event live blog: Let&#8217;s watch Trevor Noah introduce Google&#8217;s new phones]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/979241/made-by-google-2026-live-blog-pixel-11-trevor-noah" />
			<id>https://www.theverge.com/?p=979241</id>
			<updated>2026-08-12T19:25:27-04:00</updated>
			<published>2026-08-12T17:30:00-04:00</published>
			<category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Gadgets" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Google" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Google Pixel" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Mobile" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="News" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Phones" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Smartwatch" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Tech" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Wearable" />
							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[It’s almost time for the Made by Google keynote, where the company will show off the brand-new Pixel hardware it announced today. Like last year, it’ll be a celebrity-packed live show, though Trevor Noah is hosting instead of Jimmy Fallon. If the 2025 show was any indication, today’s broadcast might be something of a cringefest. [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It’s almost time for the Made by Google keynote, where the company will show off the brand-new Pixel hardware it announced today. Like last year, it’ll be <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/976454/made-by-google-2026-event-pixel-11-trevor-noah">a celebrity-packed live show</a>, though Trevor Noah is hosting instead of Jimmy Fallon. If the 2025 show <a href="https://www.theverge.com/analysis/762891/made-by-google-pixel-10-jimmy-fallon">was any indication</a>, today’s broadcast might be something of a cringefest.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you’ve been following tech news this morning, you already know a lot about the new Pixels. Press and creators were able to publish extensive hands-on impressions of the new hardware hours ago, and you can read our coverage of the <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/978013/google-pixel-11-series-hands-on-hardware-software">Pixel 11 phones</a>, <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/978084/google-camera-looks-interview-computational-photography">their new camera features</a>, the <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/978094/pixel-watch-5-hands-on-made-by-google-gemini-wearables-smartwatch">Pixel Watch 5</a>, <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/978712/google-pixel-11-event-everything-announced">and more</a> right now.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Google could pull something unexpected out of a hat. But it seems more likely that this show <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/977844/made-by-google-pixel-11-launch-power-users-notification-led">isn’t for the people</a> who devour every hands-on the moment they’re published. Instead, the event is likely intended to reach a more mainstream audience that might watch the livestream after work or as a replay at a later time.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Victoria Song will be there in person, while the rest of us will be watching remotely, and we’ll all be blogging all of our secondhand embarrassment right here.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Things kick off at 6PM ET / 3PM PT. You can watch the event on the embedded YouTube video while following along with our live thoughts below.</p>
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			<entry>
			
			<author>
				<name>Jacob Kastrenakes</name>
			</author>
			
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[We react to Google I/O 2026]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/934202/we-react-to-google-i-o-2026" />
			<id>https://www.theverge.com/?p=934202</id>
			<updated>2026-05-19T18:59:05-04:00</updated>
			<published>2026-05-19T17:48:26-04:00</published>
			<category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Google" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Google I/O 2026" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Podcasts" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Tech" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Vergecast" />
							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[What better way to unwind from a two-hour keynote presentation than to pore over the weirdest and wildest details, from a Gmail bot you can converse with to DeepMind’s leader saying the singularity is near. The Vergecast went live right after the show, with senior AI reporter Hayden Field joining me to discuss the highlights. [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">What better way to unwind from a two-hour keynote presentation than to pore over the weirdest and wildest details, from <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/932973/google-gmail-live-ai-keep-docs-io-2026">a Gmail bot you can converse with</a> to DeepMind’s leader <a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SuOhiDC_oaw">saying the singularity is near</a>. <em>The Vergecast </em>went live right after the show, with senior AI reporter Hayden Field joining me to discuss the highlights.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">First up, we talk about the buzzword of the show: agents, which seem to be Google’s new answer to making AI useful. Google has <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/932996/google-gemini-spark-antigravity-io-2026">a new service called Spark</a> that sounds a lot like a Gemini-flavored OpenClaw, upgrades to its Antigravity platform, and a bunch of agents that will <a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/932927/google-io-agentic-ai-shopping-universal-cart">shop for you</a> and track search topics. We also go over <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/933705/google-gemini-app-updates-io-2026" data-type="link" data-id="https://www.theverge.com/tech/933705/google-gemini-app-updates-io-2026">Google’s model updates</a>, as well as its shift to world models with <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/933552/google-gemini-ai-omni-flash-media-video-io-2026">Gemini Omni</a>, a theoretically ambitious new family that is off to a very focused start.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph"><em>Verge</em> subscribers, don’t forget you get exclusive access to ad-free <em>Vergecast</em> wherever you get your podcasts. Head <a href="https://www.theverge.com/account/podcasts">here</a>. Not a subscriber? You can <a href="https://www.theverge.com/subscribe">sign up here</a>.</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Then, we discuss how <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/932970/google-search-ai-update-io-2026" data-type="post" data-id="932970">Google Search is evolving</a> — or put more plainly, being stuffed with AI features that turn Google into your final destination when browsing the web. We also talk vibe-coding Android apps in <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/932364/google-ai-studio-native-android-apps-vibe-code-google-io-2026">Google AI Studio</a>, the new <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/933026/google-pics-app-workspace-ai-images-io-2026">Google Pics app</a>, and Google’s <a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/933424/google-synthid-c2pa-content-credentials-expansion" data-type="link" data-id="https://www.theverge.com/tech/933424/google-synthid-c2pa-content-credentials-expansion">expansion of access to content authentication tools</a> so that people can learn what is and isn’t real.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">We wrap up discussing Demis Hassabis’ proclamation that AGI and the singularity is near, which got surprisingly little stage time (one sentence) for such a bold statement. And finally, Hayden takes us through her thoughts on the <em>Musk v. Altman</em> trial, which wrapped up earlier this week.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Thanks to everyone who tuned in to the livestream — we’re going to keep them coming. In the meantime, you can always reach us at the Vergecast Hotline (866-VERGE11) or send us an email at vergecast@theverge.com. </p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">And don’t forget, you can get ad-free podcasts by <a href="https://www.theverge.com/subscribe" data-type="link" data-id="https://www.theverge.com/subscribe">subscribing to <em>The Verge</em></a>.</p>

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			<entry>
			
			<author>
				<name>Jacob Kastrenakes</name>
			</author>
			
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Valve made Microsoft&#8217;s dream console]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/820889/vergecast-steam-machines-neo-robot-fire-tv-piracy" />
			<id>https://www.theverge.com/?p=820889</id>
			<updated>2025-11-14T08:31:49-05:00</updated>
			<published>2025-11-14T08:45:00-05:00</published>
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							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Microsoft keeps describing this model for the future of a game console that sounds great for players: it’s as easy as a console, it can play a huge library of PC titles, and it even supports third-party stores. That’d be a wonderful product if someone could build it, and it sure looks like Valve has [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Microsoft keeps describing this model for the future of a game console that sounds great for players: it’s as easy as a console, it can play a huge library of PC titles, and it even supports third-party stores. That’d be a wonderful product if someone could build it, and it sure looks like Valve has beaten Microsoft to the punch with its new Steam Machine.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">This week on <em>The Vergecast</em>, Nilay Patel, Jake Kastrenakes, Sean Hollister, and special guest Joanna Stern sit down to talk through Valve’s ambitious new hardware initiatives — and what it means for Microsoft and Windows. Do consumers still use Windows in the future? Or are games (and an overemphasis on AI) going to push people over to Linux? There’s dissatisfaction brewing, and the rise of SteamOS is just one sign of it.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Next, Joanna dives into her story for <em>The Wall Street Journal</em> about the Neo robot, which she got to spend time with in person and even control herself. Right now, the robot is far from ready for nimbly perform just about any daily tasks. But the big question we want to know is whether the AI is going to get there at all. As of now, there’s a human behind the robot.</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Finally, it’s time for the Lightning Round. On the docket: Amazon’s Fire TV piracy crackdown, Apple’s $230 designer crossbody sock, the ongoing YouTube TV and Disney carriage dispute, Apple’s new support for mini apps, Waymo hitting the highway, and tablets being the villain in <em>Toy Story 5</em>.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">If you want to know more about the stories we discuss in the episode, you can check out the stories below:</p>

<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/818111/valve-steam-machine-hands-on-preview-specs-announcement">Our first look at the Steam Machine, Valve’s ambitious new game console </a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/games/818622/valve-console-wars-price-sony-microsoft-nintendo-windows">Valve enters the console wars</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/819844/valve-steam-machine-xbox-console-steamos-competition-notepad">Valve just built the Xbox that Microsoft is dreaming of</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/games/815061/valve-steam-controller-hands-on-deck-frame-machine">Valve’s new Steam Controller might be my dream controller</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/games/816118/valve-steam-frame-vr-headset-streaming-arm-steamos-hands-on">The Steam Frame is a surprising new twist on VR</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3c4mQty_so">I Tried the First Humanoid Home Robot. It Got Weird</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/i-tried-the-robot-thats-coming-to-live-with-you-its-still-part-human-68515d44?mod=author_content_page_1_pos_2">I Tried the Robot That’s Coming to Live With You. It’s Still Part Human.</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/819043/amazon-illegal-streaming-fire-tv-stick">Amazon is cracking down on illegal streaming on its Fire TV Stick</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/818328/apple-iphone-pocket-crossbody-knitted-sock-bag">Apple made a $230 crossbody… sock</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/818542/disney-youtube-tv-blackout-cost">Disney is losing over $4 million a day in revenue on the YouTube TV blackout</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/820486/apple-mini-app-developers-commission">Apple will take a mini commission from mini app developers</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/818552/waymo-highway-california-arizona-robotaxi-challenge">Waymo is hitting the highway — but can it handle the speed?</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/818762/toy-story-5-pixar-disney-first-teaser-trailer">The first Toy Story 5 teaser threatens the toys with a tablet</a><br></li>
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			<entry>
			
			<author>
				<name>Jacob Kastrenakes</name>
			</author>
			
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[ChatGPT enters the browser wars]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/806031/chatgpt-atlas-ai-browser-wars-vergecast-warner-bros-discovery-sale" />
			<id>https://www.theverge.com/?p=806031</id>
			<updated>2025-10-24T08:43:01-04:00</updated>
			<published>2025-10-24T08:30:00-04:00</published>
			<category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Podcasts" /><category scheme="https://www.theverge.com" term="Vergecast" />
							<summary type="html"><![CDATA[Web browsers have looked and worked basically the same way for more than a decade, to the point where they all have roughly the same features, in the same places, and are often even built around the same engine. But just about every company in tech suddenly wants to change them, all spurred by AI [&#8230;]]]></summary>
			
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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Web browsers have looked and worked basically the same way for more than a decade, to the point where they all have roughly the same features, in the same places, and are often even built around the same engine. But just about every company in tech suddenly wants to change them, all spurred by AI and the possibility of controlling one of the most important surfaces on any device. And that means not just controlling them through ownership and being able to choose the default settings — but, in this case, quite literally controlling your cursor and browsing the web for you.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">This week on <em>The Vergecast</em>, we’re talking about ChatGPT Atlas, the onslaught of new AI browsers over the past few months, and what it means for where AI goes next. After that, we turn to Samsung’s Galaxy XR and whether anyone wants to put AI devices on their face. And then, it’s time to talk about Warner Bros. Discovery putting itself up for sale — and the long, embarrassing history of companies acquiring Warner Bros. just to realize what a mess they’ve created and selling it again a few years later. We’re taking bets on who’ll be next.</p>
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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Finally, everyone’s favorite podcast within a podcast, <em>Brendan Carr is a Dummy, </em>makes its triumphant return. And then we close things out with a packed Lightning Round. We’re talking the Friend protest, GM removing CarPlay, the AWS outage, OpenAI’s controversial legal strategy, <em>Pitchfork</em>’s pivot to comments, and the future of the Xbox.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">If you want to read more about the stories we discussed, check out the links below.</p>

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<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/803475/openais-ai-powered-browser-chatgpt-atlas-google-chrome-competition-agent#:~:text=OpenAI%E2%80%99s%20AI-powered%20browser%2C%20ChatGPT%20Atlas%2C%20is%20here%20">OpenAI’s AI-powered browser, ChatGPT Atlas, is here</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/804931/openai-chatgpt-atlas-hands-on-google-search#:~:text=The%20ChatGPT%20Atlas%20browser%20still%20feels%20like%20Googling%20with%20extra%20steps%20">The ChatGPT Atlas browser still feels like Googling with extra steps</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/805253/openais-latest-legal-request-is-raising-eyebrows#:~:text=OpenAI%E2%80%99s%20latest%20legal%20request%20is%20raising%20eyebrows%20">OpenAI’s latest legal request is raising eyebrows</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/804253/meta-ai-research-layoffs-fair-superintelligence">Meta is axing 600 roles across its AI division</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/tech/802299/samsung-galaxy-xr-hands-on-price-release-date#:~:text=Samsung%20Galaxy%20XR%20hands-on%3A%20It%E2%80%99s%20like%20a%20cheaper%20Apple%20Vision%20Pro%20and%20launches%20today%20">Samsung Galaxy XR hands-on: It’s like a cheaper Apple Vision Pro and launches today</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/803380/warner-bros-discovery-wbd-sale#:~:text=Warner%20Bros.%20Discovery%20is%20ready%20for%20a%20sale%20">Warner Bros. Discovery is ready for a sale</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/805387/warner-bros-sale-netflix-amazon-apple-interested">Netflix, Amazon, and Apple are reportedly interested in buying Warner Bros.</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/803431/hbo-max-streaming-price-increasing-bundle#:~:text=HBO%20Max%20is%20raising%20prices%20for%20the%20third%20year%20in%20a%20row%20">HBO Max is raising prices for the third year in a row</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/801615/cnn-all-access-subscription-streaming-service">CNN All Access will give streaming cable news another try, for $6.99 a month</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/802697/friend-ai-device-subway-ad-protest-nyc">The Friend AI pendant’s creator publicized a ‘Friend protest’ in NYC</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/803379/gm-ceo-mary-barra-sterling-anderson-cadillac-iq-ev-autonomy-interview#:~:text=Why%20GM%20will%20give%20you%20Gemini%20%E2%80%94%20but%20not%20CarPlay%20">Why GM will give you Gemini — but not CarPlay</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/802486/aws-outage-alexa-fortnite-snapchat-offline">Major AWS outage took down Fortnite, Alexa, Snapchat, and more</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/801994/openai-subpoenas-intimidation-tactics-nonprofits-elon-musk-restructuring">These nonprofits lobbied to regulate OpenAI — then the subpoenas came</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/804749/pitchfork-is-beta-testing-user-reviews-and-comments-as-it-approaches-30">Pitchfork is beta testing user reviews and comments as it approaches 30</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/803824/microsoft-xbox-sarah-bond-next-gen-xbox-console-pc#:~:text=Did%20Microsoft%20just%20tease%20that%20the%20next%20Xbox%20is%20a%20PC%20and%20console%3F%20">Did Microsoft just tease that the next Xbox is a PC and console?</a></li>
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<p class="has-drop-cap has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Hello, and welcome to <em>Decoder</em>! This is Jake Kastrenakes, executive editor at <em>The Verge</em>. I’m filling in for Nilay for one Thursday episode while he’s settling back into full-time podcast hosting duties.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">We’ve got a very good episode for you today. My guest is <a href="https://www.theverge.com/authors/andrew-j-hawkins"><em>Verge</em> transportation editor Andy Hawkins</a>, and we’re talking about the federal EV tax credit. The tax credit expired at the end of September, and there are a lot of <a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/787281/ev-tax-credit-sales-lease-trump-climate">questions about what happens to the auto industry after its demise</a>.&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">In its latest form, the tax credit offered a $7,500 discount on eligible, domestic-made electric cars. As you’ll hear Andy explain, this was designed to accomplish a lot of different things all at once: prop up the United States’ EV market, fight climate change, and keep pace with China, which has become the global leader in affordable EVs.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">But the second Trump administration has not been kind to the renewable energy movement, and EVs have become a bit of a political football over the last several years. Trump has turned them into a symbol for government overreach and wielded them as weapons to target his enemies. Just a few weeks ago, <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-called-climate-change-a-con-job-at-the-united-nations-here-are-the-facts-and-context">at the United Nations General Assembly</a>, Trump called climate change a “con job.” So, that’s how he feels about that.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">Now the EV tax credit has expired, and it’s not coming back anytime soon. So where does that leave the auto industry? And what happens to the traditional American carmakers that have been investing heavily in domestic production to electrify their lineups?&nbsp;</p>

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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">As you’ll hear Andy lay out, there’s a tough road ahead. EVs are expensive to make and expensive to buy. The supply chain they rely on is intertwined with China, and now subject to tariffs and an escalating trade war. And consumers are highly price sensitive when it comes to EVs and new technology that comes with them, much more so than the early adopters who flocked to Tesla years ago.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">If the US auto industry wants to win back buyers, it’s going to need to produce cheaper EVs, much like China does. And that&#8217;s going to require manufacturing, supply chain, and technology innovations that will take some time to materialize.&nbsp;</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph">This is a really hard, complicated set of problems, with a lot of moving parts, so I was really excited to have Andy on the show to break down all of these components and give us a clearer picture about what’s coming next.</p>

<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph"><em>If you’d like to read more on what we talked about in this episode, check out the links below:</em></p>

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<li>The EV tax credit is dead — here’s what happens next | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/787281/ev-tax-credit-sales-lease-trump-climate">⁠<em><u>The Verge</u>⁠</em></a></li>



<li>GM takes a $1.6 billion hit on EVs | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/transportation/799089/gm-takes-a-1-6-billion-hit-on-evs">⁠<em><u>The Verge</u>⁠</em></a></li>



<li>Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and affordable EV | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/podcast/784875/ford-ceo-jim-farley-interview-ev-cars-china-trump-tariffs-carplay">⁠<em>The Verge⁠</em></a></li>



<li>Ford lost $5 billion on EVs in 2024, teases new models | ⁠<a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/607045/ford-q4-2024-earnings-ev-loss">⁠<em>The Verge⁠</em></a></li>



<li>EV makers fill tax-credit void with costly discounts | <a href="https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/an-ev-pricing-after-tax-credit-1013/">⁠<em><u>Automotive News</u>⁠</em></a></li>



<li>So much for Ford and GM’s scheme to extend the EV tax credit | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/798229/ford-gm-ev-tax-credit-lease-cancel">⁠<em><u>The Verge</u>⁠</em></a></li>



<li>Stellantis replaces EV tax credit with its own discount | <a href="https://autos.yahoo.com/ev-and-future-tech/articles/stellantis-discount-electrified-vehicles-replace-195925398.html">⁠<em><u>Automotive News</u>⁠</em></a></li>



<li>Tesla sales picking up thanks to expiring tax credit | <a href="https://www.theverge.com/news/790046/tesla-q3-2025-sales-production-delivery">⁠<em><u>The Verge</u>⁠</em></a></li>



<li>California Reverses Pledge To Revive EV Tax Credit | <a href="https://www.autoblog.com/news/california-reverses-pledge-to-revive-ev-tax-credit">⁠<em><u>SF Chronicle</u>⁠</em></a></li>



<li>Global EV sales growth slows to 15% in August, research firm says | <a href="https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/global-ev-sales-growth-slows-15-august-research-firm-says-2025-09-11/">⁠<u><em>Reuters</em></u></a></li>
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<p class="has-text-align-none wp-block-paragraph"><em><sub>Questions or comments about this episode? Hit us up at decoder@theverge.com. We really do read every email!</sub></em></p>
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